Comments on: Mercury’s Out and BPA’s In? Or is it . . . http://www.greenmamma.org/blog/2008/06/19/mercurys-out-and-bpas-in-or-is-it/ Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:07:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Green Mamma » Blog Archive » Green Links http://www.greenmamma.org/blog/2008/06/19/mercurys-out-and-bpas-in-or-is-it/#comment-612 Green Mamma » Blog Archive » Green Links Fri, 08 Aug 2008 10:11:26 +0000 http://www.greenmamma.org/blog/2008/06/19/mercurys-out-and-bpas-in-or-is-it/#comment-612 [...] by juxtaposing her with footage from an interview with Jenny McCarthy, who spoke with GMA for her Green Our Vaccines rally, which she lead in Washington, D.C. Whether or not you agree with Peet or McCarthy, based on [...] [...] by juxtaposing her with footage from an interview with Jenny McCarthy, who spoke with GMA for her Green Our Vaccines rally, which she lead in Washington, D.C. Whether or not you agree with Peet or McCarthy, based on [...]

]]> By: Abbie http://www.greenmamma.org/blog/2008/06/19/mercurys-out-and-bpas-in-or-is-it/#comment-468 Abbie Sat, 21 Jun 2008 21:08:47 +0000 http://www.greenmamma.org/blog/2008/06/19/mercurys-out-and-bpas-in-or-is-it/#comment-468 I just want to say that I'm not trying to discredit anyone based on a degree. I was only trying to make a point that those of us who comment are not always reliable (or polite)! It's easy to make comments like a know-it-all, without really knowing anything. I think the lack of response says it all. I am also largely self-educated when it comes to environmental issues as well. Remember (for those of us with an education background) that the intrinsic motivation to learn is what really makes people learn, research, and understand. Thanks Green Mamma for willing to be controversial. In the end, all that matters is the health of your family, and educating yourself about the options you have is the best thing you can do. And thanks for helping the rest of us to educate ourselves as well. :) I just want to say that I’m not trying to discredit anyone based on a degree. I was only trying to make a point that those of us who comment are not always reliable (or polite)! It’s easy to make comments like a know-it-all, without really knowing anything. I think the lack of response says it all.
I am also largely self-educated when it comes to environmental issues as well. Remember (for those of us with an education background) that the intrinsic motivation to learn is what really makes people learn, research, and understand. Thanks Green Mamma for willing to be controversial. In the end, all that matters is the health of your family, and educating yourself about the options you have is the best thing you can do. And thanks for helping the rest of us to educate ourselves as well. :)

]]> By: jmama http://www.greenmamma.org/blog/2008/06/19/mercurys-out-and-bpas-in-or-is-it/#comment-466 jmama Sat, 21 Jun 2008 02:36:20 +0000 http://www.greenmamma.org/blog/2008/06/19/mercurys-out-and-bpas-in-or-is-it/#comment-466 Thank you Harper, Trevor, Melody, and Abbie for your comments. The debates regarding the effects of BPA on the human body are ongoing and require more research. In response to MAMA's grammatical errors, I can only suggest that the argument on their site is worth considering; perhaps MAMA's budget provides for a grassroots effort than for an operation funded by Washington lobbyists. So far as the education question goes, I am a self-educated environmentalist with degrees in English, Education, and partially in Linguistics. I don't have a certificate to prove that I am a good parent, but everyday I try to inform myself about how to raise a healthy child and give back a healthy planet to the generations to come. Oh, and agonizing over risk assessments (that adversely affect the health of our children) is just part of being a good parent. I don't spend my days fretting and worrying because I educate myself and my family regarding issues of concern, like mercury in silver fillings and vaccinations and BPA in plastic sippy cups for children. Thank you Harper, Trevor, Melody, and Abbie for your comments. The debates regarding the effects of BPA on the human body are ongoing and require more research. In response to MAMA’s grammatical errors, I can only suggest that the argument on their site is worth considering; perhaps MAMA’s budget provides for a grassroots effort than for an operation funded by Washington lobbyists.

So far as the education question goes, I am a self-educated environmentalist with degrees in English, Education, and partially in Linguistics. I don’t have a certificate to prove that I am a good parent, but everyday I try to inform myself about how to raise a healthy child and give back a healthy planet to the generations to come.

Oh, and agonizing over risk assessments (that adversely affect the health of our children) is just part of being a good parent. I don’t spend my days fretting and worrying because I educate myself and my family regarding issues of concern, like mercury in silver fillings and vaccinations and BPA in plastic sippy cups for children.

]]> By: Abbie http://www.greenmamma.org/blog/2008/06/19/mercurys-out-and-bpas-in-or-is-it/#comment-465 Abbie Fri, 20 Jun 2008 23:57:24 +0000 http://www.greenmamma.org/blog/2008/06/19/mercurys-out-and-bpas-in-or-is-it/#comment-465 Gee, what about Harper and Butterworth??? It seems that the ladies know their stuff... Gee, what about Harper and Butterworth???
It seems that the ladies know their stuff…

]]> By: Melody http://www.greenmamma.org/blog/2008/06/19/mercurys-out-and-bpas-in-or-is-it/#comment-464 Melody Fri, 20 Jun 2008 23:53:23 +0000 http://www.greenmamma.org/blog/2008/06/19/mercurys-out-and-bpas-in-or-is-it/#comment-464 I'm two classes away from a ACS BS degree (that would be p. chem II if you're interested, and an instrumental analysis lab). I chose not to finish the degree and transferred to a top art school from the honors college of my previous school after completed the majority of a math and ACS Chemistry degree. Call me a well-rounded slacker, whatever, I still have a solid background in toxicology and biochemistry. I’m two classes away from a ACS BS degree (that would be p. chem II if you’re interested, and an instrumental analysis lab). I chose not to finish the degree and transferred to a top art school from the honors college of my previous school after completed the majority of a math and ACS Chemistry degree. Call me a well-rounded slacker, whatever, I still have a solid background in toxicology and biochemistry.

]]> By: Abbie http://www.greenmamma.org/blog/2008/06/19/mercurys-out-and-bpas-in-or-is-it/#comment-461 Abbie Fri, 20 Jun 2008 13:02:35 +0000 http://www.greenmamma.org/blog/2008/06/19/mercurys-out-and-bpas-in-or-is-it/#comment-461 I'd like to know the scientific background of the folks posting comments. Anyone can be snotty, but what qualifications do they have about the science? I have no problem saying that I have both a B.S. and M.S. in Biology, and my skeptical take comes from someone who understands how the immune system works, as well as the effects of vaccines on the body, both at the cellular level and at the molecular level. And by the way, the two celebrities are not CONDUCTING the research, they're just spokespeople who are concerned about a child with autism, getting the word out. And yes, some current vaccines DO contain thimerosol, but you can demand to read the vaccine packaging to be sure. Finally, I don't think anyone questions the effects that mercury has on the human body. We know that it's toxic, and we know that we're exposed to it from a variety of sources. Why not avoid amalgam fillings and thimerosol in vaccines to help lower the risk? I’d like to know the scientific background of the folks posting comments. Anyone can be snotty, but what qualifications do they have about the science? I have no problem saying that I have both a B.S. and M.S. in Biology, and my skeptical take comes from someone who understands how the immune system works, as well as the effects of vaccines on the body, both at the cellular level and at the molecular level.

And by the way, the two celebrities are not CONDUCTING the research, they’re just spokespeople who are concerned about a child with autism, getting the word out. And yes, some current vaccines DO contain thimerosol, but you can demand to read the vaccine packaging to be sure.

Finally, I don’t think anyone questions the effects that mercury has on the human body. We know that it’s toxic, and we know that we’re exposed to it from a variety of sources. Why not avoid amalgam fillings and thimerosol in vaccines to help lower the risk?

]]> By: Melody http://www.greenmamma.org/blog/2008/06/19/mercurys-out-and-bpas-in-or-is-it/#comment-460 Melody Fri, 20 Jun 2008 05:00:55 +0000 http://www.greenmamma.org/blog/2008/06/19/mercurys-out-and-bpas-in-or-is-it/#comment-460 Oh, and obviously my previous comment is in responce to the ignorant comments posted before. Jessica - thanks for the info, and your time and work to spread the word. Oh, and obviously my previous comment is in responce to the ignorant comments posted before.
Jessica - thanks for the info, and your time and work to spread the word.

]]> By: Melody http://www.greenmamma.org/blog/2008/06/19/mercurys-out-and-bpas-in-or-is-it/#comment-459 Melody Fri, 20 Jun 2008 04:58:00 +0000 http://www.greenmamma.org/blog/2008/06/19/mercurys-out-and-bpas-in-or-is-it/#comment-459 Mercury exposure to an infant DOES have a greater effect and impact on that child. Not only do infants have what is called an 'open gut' that allows nutrients (and metals) to pass freely into circulation, a small amount that may be less harmful to an adult is an extraordinarily large amount to an infant. It's like putting a drop of food coloring in a gallon of water - it will dissipate and you can barely see the effect. Put the same drop in a cup of water and there is proportionally much more food coloring int eh cup then gallon, although the same amount was added to each. Who's trusting the judgment of Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey? Follow their research and you'll find loads of information about mercury in vaccines (and mercury isn't the only problem), and the amount of stress vaccines put on the immature immune system. Some vaccines have removed the themerisol from the vaccines, but there are still vaccines containing them, and there are still older vaccines containing mercury being administered to children and infants. As for BPA, the studies are carried out on rats because the effects of substances on rat's organs is the most reliable comparison we have to the effect of the substances on human organs. This is due to the similarities in the body systems. If you'd like to see more solid research, by all means, find participants willing to be poisoned for a few bucks and conduct the study. It's not going to happen, and turning your nose up at the current standard for toxicological research, while burying your head in the sand is your choice. Don't flog those who wisely choose to heed the current research and share the information in an effort to help others. Mercury exposure to an infant DOES have a greater effect and impact on that child. Not only do infants have what is called an ‘open gut’ that allows nutrients (and metals) to pass freely into circulation, a small amount that may be less harmful to an adult is an extraordinarily large amount to an infant. It’s like putting a drop of food coloring in a gallon of water - it will dissipate and you can barely see the effect. Put the same drop in a cup of water and there is proportionally much more food coloring int eh cup then gallon, although the same amount was added to each.

Who’s trusting the judgment of Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey? Follow their research and you’ll find loads of information about mercury in vaccines (and mercury isn’t the only problem), and the amount of stress vaccines put on the immature immune system. Some vaccines have removed the themerisol from the vaccines, but there are still vaccines containing them, and there are still older vaccines containing mercury being administered to children and infants.

As for BPA, the studies are carried out on rats because the effects of substances on rat’s organs is the most reliable comparison we have to the effect of the substances on human organs. This is due to the similarities in the body systems. If you’d like to see more solid research, by all means, find participants willing to be poisoned for a few bucks and conduct the study. It’s not going to happen, and turning your nose up at the current standard for toxicological research, while burying your head in the sand is your choice. Don’t flog those who wisely choose to heed the current research and share the information in an effort to help others.

]]> By: Trevor Butterworth http://www.greenmamma.org/blog/2008/06/19/mercurys-out-and-bpas-in-or-is-it/#comment-458 Trevor Butterworth Fri, 20 Jun 2008 01:57:02 +0000 http://www.greenmamma.org/blog/2008/06/19/mercurys-out-and-bpas-in-or-is-it/#comment-458 Surely, you can find more productive things to worry about - like obesity, or smoking, or smog? First, there is no thimerosol used in vaccines any more: why in the name of Gaia would you trust the judgment of Jenny McCarthy or Jim Carrey? They have no statistical or scientific training, and based on their statements, they sound as if they have about as much actual scientific knowledge as a medieval peasant. Jenny McCarthy actually complained that vaccines contain dead viruses. For the love of all that's good, that's how vaccines are made - that's why people don't die of smallpox anymore. As for BPA, the European Union found no risk. The NTP simply said that on the basis of some animal studies, it couldn't rule out some possible risk. But at the same time, it didn't say it was "concerned" or "very concerned" - the evidence is hardly strong, and the risk hardly something to lose sleep over. If you actually read how these risk assessments are conducted, instead of listing to the professional worry-worts, you'd sleep a lot better at night, and spend your time doing something more productive that fretting and agonizing during the day. Surely, you can find more productive things to worry about - like obesity, or smoking, or smog? First, there is no thimerosol used in vaccines any more: why in the name of Gaia would you trust the judgment of Jenny McCarthy or Jim Carrey? They have no statistical or scientific training, and based on their statements, they sound as if they have about as much actual scientific knowledge as a medieval peasant. Jenny McCarthy actually complained that vaccines contain dead viruses. For the love of all that’s good, that’s how vaccines are made - that’s why people don’t die of smallpox anymore. As for BPA, the European Union found no risk. The NTP simply said that on the basis of some animal studies, it couldn’t rule out some possible risk. But at the same time, it didn’t say it was “concerned” or “very concerned” - the evidence is hardly strong, and the risk hardly something to lose sleep over. If you actually read how these risk assessments are conducted, instead of listing to the professional worry-worts, you’d sleep a lot better at night, and spend your time doing something more productive that fretting and agonizing during the day.

]]> By: Harper http://www.greenmamma.org/blog/2008/06/19/mercurys-out-and-bpas-in-or-is-it/#comment-457 Harper Fri, 20 Jun 2008 01:55:15 +0000 http://www.greenmamma.org/blog/2008/06/19/mercurys-out-and-bpas-in-or-is-it/#comment-457 Oh, and there are blatant grammatical errors all over that website. Talk about unreliable and shoddy. If you can't even be bothered to make sure your home page is grammatically correct, then you most certainly cannot be relied upon to provide correct, FACTUAL information elsewhere. Oh, and there are blatant grammatical errors all over that website. Talk about unreliable and shoddy. If you can’t even be bothered to make sure your home page is grammatically correct, then you most certainly cannot be relied upon to provide correct, FACTUAL information elsewhere.

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